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I grew up in Manchester and married a Bury lass. If I go to a pub in the old Lancashire mill towns or Wigan, the locals often view me with suspicion because of my accent. Greater Manchester means nowt to them.

I think your article was flawless.

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Pete, saw your post on Twitter - this is well thought out and explains the complex social, economic, cultural dynamics of Wigan that is largely due to its geographical location.

As a Wiganer (now in Shevington but started off in the mid-70s living in the shadows of St Pats Church in Scholes) I’m from a family of Irish Catholic immigrants who came over from West Ireland in the 50s.

Through into the pot our family relied on a wage from the pits (Parkside Colliery) and the strikes, we were one of those lucky ones who had family friends at Heinz(iziz) and often got by on dinted label-less tins.

Must have been like roulette for my Mum/Gran when it came to teatimes.

I went on to study linguistics at University in the mid 90s and that’s when my often hidden shame of coming from Wigan became my strongest suit. It turns out Wigan can be uniquely identity by its accent and dialect, again, as you highlighted, much of this is due to its geography and as a result the pits. Unlike the Mill towns, Wigan didn’t need to use the Commonwealth calling card to fill its jobs, a family from Bangladesh wasn’t going to be much use working underground, but they often had the skills needed in the mills, hence preferring to settle with our neighbours in places like Bolton. Magnify that attitude and you begin to see why Wigan still has a democratic well over 90% British White - and it’s that common denominator (with minimal outside influences) as to why the language is so identifiable.

Like many rust belt towns, the borough paid a heavy price for Tory ideology in the form of austerity and we’ve shot ourselves in the foot by voting for Brexit. Both continue to disproportionately cripple the whole Borough.

You make an incredibly important point that I don’t think is shared enough, in many respects Wigan is like South Wales. A long standing history of heavy industry linked with the Labour movement.

South Wales has just seen its biggest political shift in a century, I’m praying Makerfield doesn’t do the same. Leigh in 2019 fell for that trick and the promises they voted on didn’t come through.

And aside from this final line, a whole piece without going down the pie barm route 😉

Top work mate 👍

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